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No West Midlands Angler’s Mail Kamasan Qualifiers for September 1/2 2012.
Other fishing match results
Bilston Angling Centre, Shropshire Union Canal, Brewood, Staffordshire, Wed. 12. Baz Williams (Bilston Angling Centre) 7-13-0, roach, poled squatt; Kevin Perry (Browning Lifestyle MG) 7-12-0; Ben Garbett (Maver Tipton Van den Eynde) 5-8-8. Sun. Staffs-Worcs Canal, Wobaston, Wolverhampton, 10. Bruce Birch (Bilston Angling Centre) 8-2-0, roach, poled squatt and pinkie; Steve Lovell (Maver Tipton Van den Eynde) 7-5-0; John Hall (Bilston Angling Centre) 6-6-9.
Blackfords Progressive, Calf Heath Reservoir, Calf Heath, Staffordshire, Sat. 35. Chris Finnley (Blackfords Progressive) 98-10-0, all bream to 4 lb, method feeder and sweetcorn/pellet, peg 53; Ian Barrow (Warwick) 58-10-0; Dave Ridgeway (Shifnal) 57-6-0; Steve McQueen (Stafford) 51-2-0.
Bridgnorth AS, Severn, Linley Bank, Sat. 35. Derek Fuller (Billinghurst) 53-6-0, 9 barbel, pellet feeder and corn, peg 42. Addy Paddock (Chester Tackle Locker) 35-13-0; Richard Duke (Mid Severn Angling) 32-12-0; Martin Taylor (Bromsgrove) 32-4-0; Richard payne (Bridgnorth Angling Society) 28-9-0.
Buckley Over-50s, Trap Pool. Wed.12. Pete Evans (Buckley) 20-12-0, roach and ide, peg 40; Steve Martin (Buckley) 9-12-0; Mike Griffiths (Buckley) 6-6-0.
Ladies Championship, Trap Pool. Sun.12. Sophie Westbrook (Buckley) 18-4-0 second year as champion, 8lb carp with roach and bream on pole and casters close in, peg 16; Victoria Tasker (Buckley) 9-7-0.
Cefn Mably Lakes Over-50s. Wed.14. Doug Hornblow (Tonypandy) 118-8-0, carp on worm and caster pole fished at 6m, peg on Match Lake; Martyn Truman (Newport) 116-6-0; Peter Meese (Cardiff) 89-0-0.
Cradley Heath Labour, River Avon, Bidford and Marlcliff, Warwickshire, Sun. 22. Adrian Chowns (Cradley Heath Labour) 29-6-0, chub to 3 lb, feeder and caster, peg 14, Marlcliff; Simon West (Cradley Heath Labour) 21-14-0; Brian Smith (Cradley Heath Labour) 12-2-0.
Dynamite Makins, Wolvey, Warks, Kobra Feeders Affordables, Avon Pool, Wed. 21. Kevin Orr (All Seasons Angling) 120-8-0, carp, poled corn, peg 3. Matt Hall (All seasons Angling) 48-4-0; Charlie Shaw (Derby Fishermania) 42-12-0. Thurs. 23, Lake 2. John Adamson (Kobra Feeders/Levas) 107-10-0, carp, Method feeder, peg B19. Charlie Harrison (Baileys of Warwick) 75-0-0; John Oldham (Makins) 71-12-0.
Elmbridge Fishery, Droitwich, Heron Pool, Thurs. 24. Olly Corbett (Wythall Royal British Legion) 112-1-0, carp, poled corn, peg 3. Charlie Jeavons (Greenman) 88-0-0; Vic Prosser (Greenman) 79-0-0. Sat. 20, Pheasant Pool. Carl Bennett (J and P Tackle) 106-5-0, carp, poled pellet, peg 13. Mark Bradley (M and B Angling Club) 86-10-0; Cliff Richards (M and B Angling Club) 78-10-0. Sun. 17, Peacock Pool.Tony Webb (West Midlands Police/Maver) 88-1-0, carp, poled pellet and pellet feeder, peg 15. Ivan Laight (Red Lion) 61-6-0; Jim Russell (Elmbridge) 59-8-0.
Four Crosses AC, Four Crosses Pool, Cannock, Staffordshire, Sun. 14. Glen Poynter (Anglers Peg) 30-9-0, carp, poled meat, peg 1; George Poole (Four Crosses AC) 24-13-0; Richard Bye (Four Crosses AC) 22-2-0. Thurs. 14. George Poole (Four Crosses AC) 42-10-0, carp to 5 lb, poled paste, peg 37; Andy Chapman (Four Crosses AC) 28-6-0; Gary Busby (Four Crosses AC) 23-7-0.
Garbolino Tunnel Barn Farm, Shrewley, Warks, House Pools 1 and 2, Mon. 18. Andy Jackson (Mosella) 150-6-0, carp, F1s and bream, poled bread at 5m, peg 12. Rob Round (Maver Solihull Angling Centre) 114-2-0; Ronnie Biggs (OHMS) 95-3-0; Steve Martin (Haines Angling Wiltshire) 93-8-0. Tues. 42 over 50’s, House Pool 2 and New Pool. Pete Rice (Bag ’em’ Baits) 130-10-0, carp, F1s, bream and roach, poled pellet and slop down the sides, peg 21, House Pool 2. Dave Purdree (Tunnel Barn Farm) 113-10-0; Kevin Folwell (Drennan Oxford) 112-3-0; Keith Turner (Tunnel Barn Farm Veterans) 109-2-0. Wed. 18, Club Pool. Dave Callaghan (Measham Redfins Angling Centre) 129-1-0, F1s, poled pellet at 6m and down the sides, peg 9. Dave Chapman (White Hart Coventry) 121-15-0; Graham Young (Youngs Tunnel Barn Farm) 102-15-0; Kevin Kingsley (Tunnel Barn Farm Veterans) 89-1-0. Thurs. 48 Veterans, Jennys and Canal Pools. Dave Purviss (Tunnel Barn Farm Veterans) 126-15-0, F1s, bream, tench and barbel, poled pellet at 5m, peg 8, Club Pool. Alan Darling (Starlet Veterans) 111-0-0; Dave Chapman (White Hart Coventry) 98-15-0; John Berry (White Hart Coventry) 98-3-0. Fri. 16, Club Pool. David James (Mosella) 151-3-0, carp and F1s, poled maggot over black groundbait at 6m and down the sides, peg 21. Tom Neal (Rutlanders) 137-10-0; Malcolm Jones (Banbury Gunsmiths) 122-9-0; Alex Harper (Tunnel Barn Farm Juniors) 118-2-0; Pete Hancox (Birmingham) 110-3-0. Sat. 18, Jennys Pool. Paul Newell (Smithys Tackle) 166-11-0, carp and F1s, poled bread at 7m and poled cat food down the sides, peg 11. Stu Palser (Middy/Banbury Gunsmiths) 126-3-0; Ronnie Biggs (OHMS) 114-13-0; Andy Jackson (Mosella) 110-14-0; Pete Caton (Dynamite Baits/Banbury Gunsmiths) 105-10-0; Arthur Hicks (Colmic) 89-2-0. Sun. 22, New Pool. Paul Newell (Smithys Tackle) 97-10-0, carp to double figures and F1s, poled cat food down the sides, peg 33. Phil Moore (Litchfield) 95-12-0; Jason Brown (Maver Midlands) 90-3-0; David James (Mosella) 84-7-0.
Goodyear AC, Staffs-Worcs Canal, Shaw Hall Lane, Coven, Staffordshire, Thurs. 9. Steve Thomson (Goodyear AC) 4-2-0, roach, gudgeon and perch, poled squatt, peg 7; Graham Woolley (Goodyear AC) 3-11-0; Bob Edgerton (Goodyear AC) 3-8-0; Wilf Kneller (Midleisure Youth) 3-1-0. Sun. Preston Innovations Woodland View, Deans Pool, 15. JJ Gallacher (Goodyear AC) 133-0-0, carp to 7 lb, poled pellet, peg 64; Steve Thomson (Goodyear AC) 106-0-0; Colin Upton (Goodyear AC) 105-0-0.
Graham Jones AC, Woodcote Hall Fishery, Newport, Shropshire, Sat. 16. Chris Jones (WAC) 70-0-0, carp to 4 lb, pellet waggler, peg 16; Dave Roberts (Lifestyle Windows) 54-6-0; Lee Jones (Graham Jones AC) 39-8-0; Stuart Jones (Graham Jones AC) and Paul Key (Graham Jones AC) both 37-10-0; Mark McCabe (Lifestyle Windows) 36-4-0.
Hawkesbury Fishery, Bedworth, Warks, Thurs. 12. Richard Grant (Hawkesbury/Gillette) 70-0-0, mixed, poled pellet and meat, peg 30. Dave Markham (Hawkesbury) 64-9-0; Steve Bull (Hawkesbury) 58-14-0. Sat. 12. Dave Markham (Hawkesbury) 54-13-0, carp and tench, poled meat and corn, peg 30. James Rock (Army) 43-4-0; John Kidd (Hawkesbury) 37-1-0. Sun. 15. Keith Hudson (Hawkesbury) 54-1-0, carp, poled meat and corn, peg 40. Rolly Sturdy (Hawkesbury/Tetley) 52-8-0; Jamie Smith (Hawkesbury) 51-7-0.
Holgan Farm, Llawhaden. Tench and Crucian Lake. Sat.18. Neil Daniels (Neath) 102-8-0, crucians on pellets pole fished shallow, peg 7; Keith Law (Haverfordwest) 55-8-0; Yorkie Jones (Haverfordwest) 46-10-0. Sun.18. Neil Daniels (Neath) 177-12-0, all carp on pellets fished in the margins with top 2 sections, peg 9; Tim Peters (Leeds) 110-5-0; Clive Wright (Shropshire) 85-0-0.
Izaak Walton Fishery, Chebsey, Stafford, Staffordshire, Wed. Top Pool, 10. John Wild (Stafford) 174-9-0, carp, poled paste and pellet, peg 23; Chris Jones (Crewe Carp and Match) 116-12-0; Chris Robson (Bilston Angling Centre) 94-13-0; Ray Young (Izaak Walton Fishery) 88-6-0. Sat. Top Pool, 15. Darren Heath (Izaak Walton Fishery) 101-4-0, carp, poled pellet, peg 21; Steve Roberts (Oakengates) 98-12-0; Chris Robson (Bilston Angling Centre) 96-14-0; Dave Coleman (Northwood Inn) 71-4-0.
King’s Pools, Shareshill, Staffordshire, Wed. Big Match Pool, 22. Paul Gregory (Swan Elite) 78-5-0, carp to 4 lb, poled pellet, peg 30; Terry Edwards (Swan Elite) 71-6-0; Danny Maxfield (WAC) 68-7-0. Sat. Big Match Pool, 17. Bob Baker (King’s Pools) 120-2-0, carp to 10 lb, poled paste, peg 65; Rob Hancock (Short Heath Starlets) 86-10-0; Mattie Stockton (Maver Midlands) 76-8-0. Sun. Carp and New Match Pools, 23. Jordan Hall (Maver Midlands/Bagem Baits) 93-14-0, F1s to 2 lb, poled pellet, New Match Pool 9; Icky Kull (Kamasan B911) 83-14-0; Rod Arnold (King’s Pools) 83-10-0.
Llanrumney Summer League, final round. Cefn Mably Lakes. Sun. 15. Mark Blackmore (Cardiff) 30-1-0, carp on pole and pellets, peg on Match Lake; Jon Calli (Cardiff) 28-0-0; Matthew O’Neil (Cardiff) 18-0-0. League: Jon Calli 19 points; Andy Washington 18; Mark Blackmore 15.
Merthyr, Monmouthshire Canal at Brecon. Sun.18. Dave Couzens (Merthyr) 39-8-0, chub to 3 lb and quality roach on pole and maggots, peg behind garage; Peter O’ Sullivan (Merthyr) 2-14-0; Berny Farr (Merthyr) 2-12-0.
Moorlands Farm, Hartlebury, Worcs, Silver Pool, Tues. 26. Clive Poole (Maver Gold) 138-2-0, F1s, poled pellet at 6m, peg 5. Mark Blackburn (West Midlands Police/Maver) 76-3-0; Bill ‘Basil’ Rathbone (St Francis All Comedians, Shelfield, Walsall) 75-6-0. Wed. 15 over 50’s, Meadow Pool. Dave Johnson (Club 2000) 168-12-0, carp, poled pellet down the edge, peg 15. Harry Ward (Starlet Veterans) 109-14-0; Glyn Clarke (Browning Spa) 100-6-0. Thurs. 31, Bank, Moors and Island Pools. Ken Sherriff (Waters Edge) 184-8-0, carp, poled pellet down the edge, peg 10, Bank Pool. Dave Johnson (Club 2000) 159-2-0; Bill Drew (Bewdley) 134-3-0. Fri pm. 25, Meadow Pool. Dave Johnson (Club 2000) 161-11-0, carp, poled pellet down the edge, peg 15. Lee Boden (Stonehenge) 149-8-0; Chris Bradney (Stevens Tackle) 149-0-0; Mark Johnson (Maver Midlands) 147-4-0. Sat. 26, Bank, Moors and Island Pools. Chris Hill (Mosella) 179-5-0, carp, poled corn at 13m, peg 11, Bank Pool. Matt Djukic (Shimano) 177-4-0; Pete Ricketts (New Willenhall) 166-13-0; Brett Whittley (Moorlands) 157-9-0. Sun. 26, Silver and Island Pools. Dean Sheldon (Fosters) 162-12-0, carp, poled paste down the edge, peg 2, Island Pool. Neil Gater (Moorlands) 132-4-0; Colin Pace (Colin Pace Angling Academy) 125-14-0; Chris Hill (Mosella) 125-6-0.
Mosella Black Country September Festival, Soho Loop Canal, Winson Green, Birmingham, Sat. Round One, 33. Dave Sheaf (Dudley Bait and Tackle) 20-15-12, tench and bream, poled chopped worm and caster, peg 10; Dave Brown (Maver Midlands) 12-0-0; Jason Cunningham (Shakespeare Superteam) 10-6-0; Dave Hughes (Browning Lifestyle) 9-1-0; Dave McCall (Shakespeare Superteam) 7-10-8; Kevin Perry (Browning Lifestyle) 7-5-6. Teams: Browning Lifestyle Gold 8; Joan’s Aggers 11; Shakespeare Superteam Blue 12; MMC 15; Mach III 15; Maver Midlands 16; Browning Lifestyle Red 17; Stan’s Babes 22; Mosella Old Boys 23; Dams and Lock 29; Ridding Boys 30.
Mosella Manor Farm Leisure, Harvington, Island Pool, Mon. 17. David Howard (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 164-4-0, carp, F1s and tench, poled pellet and groundbait feeder, peg 21. Neil McKinnon (Preston Innovations) 135-0-0; Mike Hughes (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 131-12-0; Steve Partington (Mosella) 127-0-0. Wed. 16, Island Pool. David Howard (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 149-0-0, carp and tench, poled pellet and groundbait feeder, peg 21. Barry Duggan (Warwick Portobello) 137-12-0; Terry Winstone (Bonehill Mill) 128-8-0; Mike Hughes (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 127-8-0. Thurs. 18, Boundry Pool. Phil Tipton (Billy No Mates) 101-12-0, carp, tench and skimmers, poled pellet and groundbait feeder, peg 10. Mike Hughes (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 88-10-0; David Howard (Leigh Bait and Tackle) 84-4-0; Graham Scott (Mosella Selby) 84-0-0. Sun. 17, Island Pool. Rob Avery (Kingfisher Redditch) 136-12-0,carp, F1s and tench, poled pellet and groundbait feeder, peg 17. Rob McKenzie (Gloucester Angling Centre) 114-6-0; Mark Hemming (Lodge Park) 108-2-0; John Cattermole (Frenzee) 103-2-0; Steve Partington (Mosella) 102-12-0.
Newport, Morgans Pond. Sun.26. Howard Green (Green’s Tackle) 23-8-0, bream and roach on pole and corn, peg 86 on point; Chris Hall (Cwmbran Angling Nobblers) 21-4-0; Tony Hopkins (Cwmbran Angling Nobblers) 21-0-0; Rob Skellett (Cwmbran Angling Nobblers) 18-14-0.
Packington Somers, Meriden, Warks, Gearys Level, Sat. 18. Derek Hartshorn (Swann Baits) 67-12-0, carp, Method and pellet to the stumps, peg 11. Dave Grainger (Packington) 56-2-0; Max Higgott (Rods and Reels) 53-10-0. Sun. 29, Molands Mere. Lee Richards (Packington) 70-3-0, carp, pellet waggler, peg 17. Colin Toal (Packington) 47-13-0; Colin Redman (Packington) 44-9-0; Bonnie Evans (Packington) 43-13-0.
Parkes Hall AC, Woodside Fishery, Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, Sun. Woodside Pool, 16. Michael Barker (Parkes Hall AC) 98-9-0, carp to 2 lb, poled pellet, peg 11; Dave Mills (Parkes Hall AC) 69-15-0; Paul Cartwright (ABC) 69-8-0.
Patshull Park Fishery, Pattingham, Shropshire, Sun. Great Lake, 25. Jim Gear (Wolverhampton) 43-12-0, bream to 4 lb, feeder fished worm, peg 45; Nigel Ball (WAC) 40-1-0; Pete Cartwright (Wolverhampton) 39-10-0; Steve Preece (M & S Joinery) 37-12-0. Sun. White Hart, Shifnal, Boats, 12. Gary Higgs (White Hart, Shifnal) 40-9-0, bream, feeder and worm, peg 58; Andy Buckley (White Hart, Shifnal) 38-13-0; Ian Davies (White Hart, Shifnal) 30-3-0.
Poole Hall Fishery, Alveley, Salop, Heron Pool, Sun. 10. Tom Murphy (Poole Hall) 118-2-0, carp, poled meat and corn, peg 46. Keith Millard (Poole Hall) 96-0-0; Alan Goode (Stevens Tackle) 68-4-0.
Preston Innovations Boldings Pools, Bridgnorth, Salop, Oak and Chestnut Pools, Mon. 19. Mark Taylor (Shakespeare) 80-3-0, carp to 6 lb, poled corn and pellet to the paddles and down the sides, peg 13, Oak Pool. Jason Elwell (Phils Tackle) 76-10-0; Jason Benning (Little Dawley) 67-5-0; Mick Jameson (Mid-Leisure) 65-1-0. Wed. 12, Sycamore Pool. Harry Colley (Preston Innovations Boldings Pools) 76-10-0, carp to 9lb and bream to 2 lb, poled pellet and meat down the sides, peg 18. Phil Shaw (Lower Hill Farm) 61-5-0; Bob Tromans (Fiery Holes) 55-1-0; Ken Humphreys (Oswestry) 52-5-0. Thurs. 28, Beech, Sycamore and Oak Pools. Dave Craggs (Maver Midlands) 146-3-0, carp to 10 lb, poled pellet and corn down the edges, peg 7, Beech Pool. Phil Rhodes (Mid-Leisure) 96-4-0; Rob Chamberlain (Corby) 94-12-0; John Wild (Stafford) 81-6-0.
Preston Innovations Woodland View Fishery, Hadley, Worcestershire, Wed. Club Korum Junior match, Arles Pool, 12. Jordon Holloway (Club Korum) 76-9-0, carp, poled pellet and sweetcorn, peg 8 (new 4 hours junior record for PIWV); Connor Albutt (Club Korum) 29-4-0; Alex Holloway (Club Korum) 28-8-0; George King (Club Korum) 24-9-0; Sam Gallacher (Club Korum) 23-8-0. Tues. Ghost Pool, 18. Dave Hicken (Woodlands) 126-12-0, carp to 10 lb, poled sweetcorn and pellet, peg 14; Rob Camden (Peg One, Woodlands) 120-12-0; Steve Middleton (Browning Spa MG) 103-0-0; Tony Nightingale (Woodlands) 93-4-0. Sat. Hay and Barley Pools 22. Mac Cox (Fiery Holes AC) 112-7-0, carp to 12 lb, poled pellet, Hay 17; Lee Cole (Bilston Angling Centre) 99-4-0; Chris Senter (Browning Spa MG) 77-8-0; Brett Hobbs (Browning Spa MG) 73-10-0. Sun. Deans and High Pools, 34. M. Guest (Mosella) 91-4-0, carp to 8 lb, poled pellet, High 27; Wayne Panting (Midland Bears) 87-6-0; Chris Cameron (Middy) 81-9-0; Nigel Plumb (Woodlands) 80-6-0.
Redditch Federation of Anglers, Arrow Championships, River Arrow, Alcester to Broom, Sat. 46. Barry Feldhahn (Redditch) 13-11-0, barbel, chub and perch, stick float and maggot, Wixford Angling Club water. Ian Didcote (Redditch) 10-8-0; Steve Hemming (Redditch) 9-11-0.
Redhill Fishery, Monmouth. Pole-only. Wed.10. Brian King (Ebbw Vale) 181-0-0, carp to double-figures on corn in the margins, peg 10 on Sophie’s Pond; Mike Yandle (Tredegar) 173-2-0; Alan Davies (Cardiff Nomads) 163-8-0.
Reedswood AC, Reedswood Pool, Walsall, West Midlands, Tues. 16. Les Willey (King’s Pools) 27-8-0, carp to 4 lb, poled paste, peg 2; Phil Watts (Foster’s) 24-14-0; Mark Pitcher (Foster’s) 13-8-0.
Rhymney, Monmouthshire Canal at Llanfoist. Sun.18. Keith Price (Tredegar) 5-10-0, roach, perch and skimmers on pole with punched bread and pinkies; Brian Rees (Rhymney) 4-12-0; Colin Whitehouse (Rhymney) 3-11-0.
Rough Hay Social, Northgate Fishery, Wychnor, Staffordshire, Sun. 17. Jez Meredith (Rough Hay AC) 114-0-0, carp to 3 lb, poled paste, peg 22; Cliff Archbold (Rough Hay AC) 90-12-0; Shaun Hartop (Rough Hay AC) 90-5-0.
Sensas Nomads, Cefn Mably Match Lake. Sat. 14. Shaun Wilson (Sensas Nomads) 105-10-0, carp on pole fished worm over casters, peg 2 on car park bank; Nick Lane (Sensas Nomads) 80-13-0; Richard Candy (Sensas Nomads) 80-3-0; Luke Richards (Sensas Nomads) 75-11-0.
Stirrup Cup, Birmingham-Fazeley Canal, Curdworth, Birmingham, West Midlands, Sun. 13. Ian Hadden (Weddington) 8-8-12, skimmers and roach to 1 lb, poled caster and squatt, peg 17; Tony Robertson (Stirrup Cup) 8-2-12; Graham Massey (Dams and Lock) 4-10-4; Tony Parkes (Stirrup Cup) 4-7-4; Alan Price (Stirrup Cup) 4-0-12; Darren Barratt (Coleshill and District) 3-15-0.
Triplex Angling Club, Poole Hall Fishery, Alveley, Salop, Abbey Pool, Sun. 18. Kevin Smith (Triplex) 84-0-0, carp, poled meat and corn, peg 27. John Williams (Triplex) 75-0-0; Steve Brown (Triplex) 68-0-0.
Walsall Arboretum, Walsall, West Midlands, Sun. 8. Ron Nicholls (Walsall) 8-3-0, skimmers, poled maggot, peg 9; Ron Jackson (Leamore) 6-4-0; Gary Beasley (Walsall) 4-4-0; Dave Gough (Walsall) 2-0-0.
Wassell Grove Fishery, Hagley, Stourbridge, West Midlands, Sat. Autumn League, Round One, Brook Pool, 16. Paul Hadlington (Club 2000) 70-8-0, carp to 8 lb, poled pellet, peg 4; Chris Bills (Wassell Grove) 56-0-0; Terry Homer (Club 2000) 54-8-0; DJ Williams (Halesowen Royal British Legion) 47-10-0; Andy Gorton (Club 2000) 40-0-0; Dave Johnson (Club 2000) 33-0-0.
White Springs, Pontarddulais. Sun. 18. Peter Williams (Swansea) 80-12-0, bream and carp on pole and pellets, peg on Match Lake; Jim Hutton (Swansea) 61-9-0; Peter Edwards (Swansea) 57-4-0.
Wolverhampton Over 60s, Staffs-Worcs Canal, Ball Lane, Coven, Staffordshire, Wed. 19. Stuart Brailford (Bridgtown) 11-4-8, bream and roach, poled bread punch and caster, peg 19; Arthur Shaw (Rough hay Social) 8-3-6; Alan Round (Browning Lifestyle) 8-1-4.